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announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. host: forbes magazine was founded 100 years ago this september. a scottish immigrant and business journalist begin the magazine to chronicle and celebrate the world of american business and it has become more than just a magazine, growing into a media and technology company as well. to celebrate the magazine's centennial, forbes amassed an a-z of the greatest living business minds. originalhich penned an essay for the occasion. joining me now is steve forbes,
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the editor in chief of forbes media. mike is chief operating officer. grendel is the current editor of forbes -- randall is the current editor of forbes magazine. steve, i will start with you. what was forms then, and what is it now? >> it is the same today and it was in the first issue in 1917. business was originated for the purpose of producing happiness money, noto pile up to pile up millions. he believed in entrepreneurial capitalism. he was a drama critic. loved it when something was done right, hated it when things were done wrong. he went after henry ford for the way he treated his employees. he wanted the best out of capitalism. he thought that was the way we all got to rise up as he did, as a penniless immigrant.
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>> 1917 was a year to start a magazine. >> it showed his spirit. it was during a war and the same year as the russian revolution. my grandfather created the capitalist tool and it survived the soviet union. there is a fascinating gorbachev story i want to talk about. first, the magazine got some attraction to start and william randolph hearst offered to buy it. >> yes. hearst was allowed to continue his column, even though my grandfather had his own magazine. my grandfather was the only person that allowed to have something on the side. in 1928, he offered tens of millions of dollars to buy my grandfather out. my grandfather turned it down and a year later he had cause to regret it. the depression came and the magazine was all but bankrupt in
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name. he cannot cash his own paychecks for years, put them in a safe because there was not money in the bank. >> how close was the magazine to going under? >> it almost did. that is why we had to really on he had towriting, scratch his savings, every penny he had. he instituted with the employees scotch week. every fourth week, you didn't he get paid. it was a 20% pay cut, but in those desperate times, people were happy to have a job. his memory was years later, he was able to cash those checks that piled up in the safe. >> talk about the changes from get paid.your grandfather to yor to yourself. thatis gets to something peter drucker, a management guru said -- businesses should remind
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themselves, what is your purpose? what is it you are trying to do? with our belief in entrepreneurial capitalism, that spirit allowed us to survive when the internet rose and shattered everything. even after world war ii, forbes was done by freelancers. my father made a transition to having this staff-written. that was a timely way to get articles. he made huge transitions in the 1940's and 1950's. in the 1990's and the early 2000's, the web destroyed the print industry and we made a transition to the new age. >> even before the web came along, you were constantly finding newalong, you were consy finding new ways to get attention for the magazine. one of them was the richest list, which started in -- >> 1982. one of thecores too
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things that undermines businesses, you could comfortable with what you are doing. my father talked about his idea of what he called the forbes 400. and the editorial department resisted it. they said, this is crazy. the information is not there. this is a waste of time. they did a "study" in which they said it was impossible. my father said he would do it and he would hire the people. they said, ok. we will do it. huge success. >> faithful your dad, there is -- they told your dad, there is no way we can do this. >> they had earnest conversations, we can't do this, robbers and fundraisers will descend on these people. it turned out to be immensely popular because it showed how much wealth, and how much it changed over the years. the first list had the duponts and rockefellers.
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they are not on it today. new money. things don't stay the same. people rise up. the names on today, i guarantee in 20 years, won't be there. >> i think about the 100th anniversary article that you wrote, which is an interesting piece of history, is how aggressively and lavishly forbes has courted advertisers. you talk about sailing in particular in this article. >> my father was always interested in boats. being a good entrepreneur, he figured out how to combine this with marketing in a way that a normal company would not think of doing. we have a series of yachts that we named "the highlander." people thought it was no, it was my- scottish genes at work. how do you invest in a way to get a big return. every night we wouldbusinesses,d comfortable with what you are
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doing. have advertisers, agencies people. my brothers and i, when we were growing up, we attended many of these occasions, and we had to memorize who was on there, why they were on there, and we had to do our part to sell the magazine. my father always said, you have to know where the bread is buttered. >> the 75th anniversary party that you talked about, this was with reagan after he left office and gorbachev, what happened? >> we had it at the radio city music hall, a couple thousand people. we thought it would be great to bring the man who brought down communism, ronald reagan, and the man who made it possible, each speaking and having a good time. just before the event, gorbachev made demands. he wanted to go out alone. he said, you're exploiting me. i thought that this whole thing
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would collapse. >> all of this was negotiated beforehand. >> we had gone over this many times with his people. piece by piece, timeline by timeline, just to make sure that nothing went wrong. and it almost did. ronald reagan was gritting his teeth. nancy reagan was rolling her eyes. gorbachev was egging him on. smoothedose feathers and when we went out reagan gave a good speech and gorbachev gave a speech and said that steve forbes is trying to exploit him. everybody thought he was trying to be humorous and laughed. they did not realize he meant it. >> it all worked out. >> talk a little bit as well about your brother, >> it all worked out. if you cou ld. you mentioned the online part of this. he has played a role in that. tim recognized
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more than any of us what the internet was going to do to print. we had to make adjustments. 20 years ago, we went online and most people thought that if you put a printed page online, thatm was electronic publishing. that was like 120 years ago, some people thought you filmed a stage play, that was a feature film. when movies were invented -- no way. we had separate reporting lines. we finally combined them after 10 years. we had most of our content not from the magazine. most print websites today, that is already paired in print. 90% of ours isn't. my brother tim decided we will bring the next move. today, our content -- online we have over 1700 contracted
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write onors who will various of expertise. we have that virtually each day. >> [cross-chatter] [laughter] >> write on my brother brought me up well. host: which brings us to a transition in the future. randall, you run the magazine now. mike, you are president. from your perspective, what is forbes, and what do you want it to be? should tell everyone watching this that we no longer have scotch week. if you want to come work at forbes, we do have occasional scotch, but not scotch week. [laughter] this tremendous brand around the world. it is incredible. we have this mantra to make our business as big as the brand. people, including myself, do not
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recognize how well-known brand is and the potential for growth. when you look at the magazine and the history there, it provides real journalism and gravitas. plus, this new model of the contributor network that steve was talking about, which gives us this incredible sustainable scale. the combination of the two is really compelling. >> the magazine is still very important. we are at our highest print readership in our hundred year history in the last few years. people are still reading the print magazine. the more we do great journalism in print, we are putting it online, and this incredible muscle through forbes.com. last month we had 59 million people go to forbes.com. it is not a zero-sum game. that is the old media cliche. website, that will
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take away -- the more success we have online, the more success we have in print. it translates. live events, licensing. we have 38 foreign editions around the world. it is a global brand. host: you are not shutting down the printing presses. >> we have 38 editions around ae muscle through forbes.com. last month we had 59 million the world. we are expanding the printing presses if you look at the entire world. cover.hat forbes we have this 30 under 30 list, which has become our new list. if you ask a millennial -- first of all, they all aspire to be on the cover of forbes. even if you ask for a profile, they all ask the same question -- will it be in print? contentin an era where is ubiquitous and universal, the fact that every month or so we take a step back and we put out great and heavily researched
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journalism in a print magazine, it is very strong and it is a window into our brand. again, because of online, we have that scale and the incredible resources to do great journalism. host: people want the cover. they want to see their face. >> they want something tangible. >> bruno mars has been on more magazines than anywhere in the world. forbes means success. if you had to boil it>> down to one word, it means success. it is not a fad. that is not something constrained to the united states. this is part of the strength we have right now. host: i find it interesting what sent -- you are trying to make the company as big as the brand. >> we are in the media business, but in terms of the companies that we often profile, multibillion-dollar companies, we are not there yet. we are starting to move there. one of the things is, entrepreneurs feel that we understand what they are trying
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to do. our task is now to go into areas like education. we have a partnership now. we will be doing more of that in other areas. extension,t brand but it is natural. host: is forbes a media company? an education company? a tech company? what is it? >> media, in terms of information. extension, but it is natural. host: we are providing you tools to succeed in life by analyses, running about others from whom you can learn. -- writing about others from whom you can learn. each story tries to have a morality tale that you can take away. it is something that relates to something you are trying to do, want to do, or did do. you feel you are getting something out of it, more than just a piece of news or information. something you are trying to do, want to do, or did do.
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>> from a business perspective, we are a global media and branding company with technology at the center of what we do. that is how we approach the business. technology is driving distribution these days, efficiencies in >> business and other opportunities. plus the media company brand. it is unique to us. we have an incredible combination of the two. >> even our 100th anniversary cover, we have warren plus the brand. it is unique to us. buffett holding the last original old issue. we have him on the cover on artificial intelligence and ai, so you can have a conversation with warren buffett shooting off the cover. technology even in an old print magazine. host: and this one has president trump on the cover. you talked to him. how was that? >> we shop at the oval office, at the resolute desk that jfk and ronald reagan used. how is it? we have a forbes 400 billionaire
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president and this is somebody we have had a 35 year relationship with. it shows the residents of what we are covering. he is making interesting -- again, we have a long relationship with him. we can bring different perspectives. -- weis having a bad week have him down year-to-year. 600 million new york real estate is down and less people are going to his golf courses and people are voting with their pocketbook, in terms of playing golf. we have a whole team. it is funny, people think, where do these numbers come from? on the formbes 400, we have a whole team. all they are doing around the world is looking under the hood and into records. this has research behind it. host: we have a cover from 1990. which asks, how much is the donald really worth? 27 years ago. >> [laughter]
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we are still asking the same question. i bet it was closer to zero. host: how are these numbers calculated, whether it is donald trump or someone else? >> first, you take public information and you going to records. a lot of competitors, banks off the record will tell you. if you dig, it is amazing what is out there. then you go to the source themselves. you say, here is what we've got, we are in effect on to you, do you want to help us or hinder us? most people end up cooperating. they are not always happy. we had somebody call up and berate us. he did not dispute the estimate. we finally found out the reason. he was in the middle of a divorce, and his wife did not know how much he was worth. true story. host: people have visible
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reactions to these numbers. >> even those who say they do not want to be on it secretly see it as a badge of recognition. >> we have a lot of people who want to be higher and there are people who want to be lower and it is our job to check everybody. seems like nobody is exactly happy about where they are, which is maybe a metaphor. >> there is a way to get off of the list. we all get it time to time -- and it is give away your money. >> irrevocably. sudden, it isf a not so bad to be on the list, is it? >> one of these things that this well --res is, well -- wealth is not tangible stuff. it can change. a piece of equipment can be worth nothing tomorrow because of technology. it is all about the mind, not physical things. host: where else do you want the brand to be, besides the magazine?
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mike: as i have said, globally we have 38 licenses, with 26 in which is. -- 26 languages. we create a network around the world that creates opportunities. one is around what we are a global alliance of bringing people together in groups around the world and doing introductions. this is a great thing that forbes is able to do. we convene the movers and shakers of the world. bringing people together in groups around the world and doing introductions. there are opportunities like that. education is one of the great growth areas for us. we have a degree program for the school of business and we are looking more at a skills-based program. if you talk to educators, that is more attuned to what the current economy is, more so even then a four year degree program. brandwhat is the forbes
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in other places of the world? asia for example? >> we have different language editions. there is moving ahead, creating resources, doing things that have not been done before, opening up opportunities for people. we think we are doing our part to make this -- i hate to use the word, because it is politically charged, but -- global economy. when other people do well, we do well. the prosperity lifts us all up. we feel that writing about these people, discovering them, criticizing where they go wrong, we are playing a key role in enabling other entrepreneurs to do what was done in the united states. host: since you went there, let me ask you, how does that global world play into america first?
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>> it is one thing to say you are proud of our country and you want us to do well, but also we are part and parcel -- we learned that in the 1930's when we tried to shut ourselves off from the world and we learned we can be strong, we can be prideful of america, but we have to deal with the rest of the world in a way in which we cooperate together. if they do well, we do know. a prosperous world is a good world for us. when the world is not prosperous, like the 1930's and sort of in 1970's, it is bad for us. host: how do you think the president is doing? >> i am glad he is doing deregulation, but the key thing for all the noise -- will he get the tax cut? if he does that, prosperity covers a multitude of sins. >> i am so surprised you brought up taxes. [laughter] do you think that happens?
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>> i think it will. it is called the instinct of self-preservation. johnson 200 years ago, who wrote the first modern english dictionary, once said the prospect of a hanging focuses the man's mind perfectly. the prospect of a political hanging will focus the republican mind. you better get a big tax cut through. you're not going to change the whole code, or some of you are going to be uber drivers. host: corporate, where do you corporate, where do you want to see it? >> all. corporate, but you have to do it on the personal side. economies are people. host: flat tax? >> i see this as the first step in the long journey. host: you still think that is a possibility someday. >> 40 countries around the world have done it. it has worked extremely well.
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this is no longer a laboratory of the idea, it has worked in the real world. i hope, after this tax bill, you get the big tax cut in the first term and a major overhaul in the second term. i am hoping for a replay here, get a big tax cut, and do a series where we get to simplicity. if we take all of the resources from the past 20 years, there are trillions of dollars and we billion to $3 billion a year complying with the code. all of these tens of billions of hours applied to new services, cures for diseases, how much better we would be. what economists call the opportunity cost is huge. it is a scandal that we waste our time on this idiot code instead of doing more productive things. host: thank you all very much. >> thank you. ♪
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>> "lbj" is the new film from director rob reiner. woody harrelson portrays the big boisterous big texas politician in the 1970's. variety calls the film a prosaic engrossing biopic.
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here is the film for "lbj." >> the only major threat to kennedy is is lyndon johnson.he" place is, this infested. >> in a surprising upset, senator john kennedy has won the west. >> hi jack. do you mind if i ask you a question? >> you're out of your damn mind, jack. >> all of the liberals hate him. >> power goes. >> john kennedy has been elected as the president of the united states. >> i need to show a strong record on civil rights from the start. >> what makes you think he is on our side? those harvard boys are not going to tell us how to run the state of georgia. >> you are going to lose the support of people that have always had your back. you can hop on the station with me and try to slow the thing down. >> if i am going to make a run
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in 1968, i need people to like me. doo!the >> how can anyone not like hi,? >> you have martin luther king in a jail cell. it is an embarrassment to the world. >> what are we waiting for? >> a new leader has emerged. >> america has a southern president. >> you don't waste any time, do on? lynd >> kennedy is a man of great ideas. a man whountry needs can deliver. >> there will be no compromise. this is about making president kennedy's vision a reality.
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♪ >> this will define your presidency. >> i can only hope. >> joining me now is director rob reiner and star woody harrelson. >> thank you for joining us. >> this moves because you took a finite period of time as: we wanted to look at lbj a complete person. lbje were to do a biopic of , you would need 12 hours ago from his childhood in west texas to his legislative rise to power and becoming vice president and president. what we wanted to do, if we could limit -- it is like in
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greek drama terms, limiting the time frame to explore a character more fully. that is what we tried to do with this. personally, i hated lyndon johnson when i was young. i was of draft age. >> because of vietnam? rob: because of vietnam, he could have sent me to my death. i have worked in policy and politics and i have appreciation for what he was able to accomplish. i felt that that moment in his life when he assumes the presidency, as he talks about of awesome power responsibility of the presidency, that is when we could explore who he really was in that time of his life. seems to be having a bit of a moment here. there is talk, there are the books you have read and are fascinated by. but there have been new approaches to his life,
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sympathetic looks at his life. on the other hand, the movie takes an unsympathetic look at folks that might be surprised by it, including bobby kennedy, who comes off not looking good at all in this movie. rob: in relationship to lyndon johnson. all we are at is lyndon johnson, how bobby felt about lyndon johnson, and they were enemies. they did not like each other, they were antagonists. from that standpoint, we do not get into bobby kennedy's life story or jack kennedy's life story. it is about lyndon johnson. the thing about lyndon johnson is, he was complex. i mean, this guy was like a shakespearean character. -non--- had it not been for the vietnam war he would have been , one of the great presidents of all time, but you cannot overlook the vietnam war. it was there. it is a flawed character. that is what makes it interesting.
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hopefully, it sheds new light on who he was as a person. he was not just a bull in the china shop. a lot of times you see portrayals of him where he is arm-twisting and a bully. but he had a sensitive side and he was very insecure about who he was, fear of being left, fear of moving forward, frightened to death of what happened if he is not loved. we wanted to have a full picture of him. that is why i wanted woody. i don't think anybody could have played this part the way woody host: other than spending seven hours in the makeup chair every day -- woody: it was two hours in the morning and an hour to take it off. host: what was it that drew you to lbj? woody: it is interesting because rob and i have very similar in
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the sense that i did not really like lbj. i was thinking to myself, this guy -- what he did in vietnam is hard to forgive. another friend of mine named rob tried to convince me to play him in a movie and i just didn't like the guy and didn't want to do it. he says, read this book. i read the book and it didn't change my mind, but it softened my approach to him. i can't remember which book it was now. not long after that, rob asked me and i said, "if rob reiner wants me to do it, i might have to play the part." the more i read and learned about him, i could not just qualify him as a bad guy. i really think he did a lot of good. yes you cannot overlook vietnam, , but i think that he did a lot of good things. host: why do you have to like a
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character or person to play the role? woody: i don't know. i think if you are going to invest yourself in someone -- like with larry flynt -- i went and met with him and said, if i didn't like him, i wouldn't play him. i ended up liking him and we are still friends, today. there are some things he does i don't love, but i love this $10 million offer he has going. rob: you have to feel the person's humanity. if he is going to be the devil or all evil, it is hard to play. you want to find where the humanity is. that is what we try to do. reading doris kearns goodwin's book was an eye-opener and i found things that changed my way i thought about johnson. one is, he had a recurring dream that he was paralyzed, he would
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dream about being paralyzed. the other is that he feared his mother did not love him, at times. those things i thought would be an interesting way of looking at him. so it is not two-dimensional. host: what else do you think about what doris saw that robert caro didn't focus on? rob: doris worked with lbj in the white house and she went down to the ranch in texas to do his biography. she knew him personally and was able to get some personal things out of him. robert caro is the ultimate biographer of lbj. anything you want to know about his life and what he did, you -- legislatively and his rise to power, you read robert caro. he will tell you. from his personal standpoint, that always stuck out. host: this whole movie revolves
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around the civil rights bill and lbj's progression on it and his instrumental role in seeing it passed. how did he evolve? rob: it is very complex. he came from a very poor area of texas in the hill country and he understood poverty. no question about it. he was raised in it and he understood it. his great society was all about the war on poverty and trying to out of poverty. somewhere in there he knew this was the right thing to be done. he also knew that he was a legislator and he wanted to make sure that he got things done. he viewed himself as a texan, a westerner, but people talked about him as a southerner. he was more than happy to take that mantle and use it to be able to bridge between the south and the north in passing the legislation.
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i don't believe that he felt that he could get it done when kennedy was alive and that's why he argues it will never become law. he knew that it wasn't the right time. but when kennedy was , assassinated, he saw the opportunity to do something historic and get it passed and he was a consummate legislator and politician. yes, did he evolve? i do not know. i think he always had a bit of that in him. but it never came out until he saw where it could be a legislative win. host: there is some very crude talk and very crude scenes. the over-the-top scenes are some of the most memorable parts about the movie. can you talk about those at all? between negotiating with a fellow legislator well-being on the phone with his tailor at the
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same time -- you have to see it to fully appreciate it. there is the toilet scene, as well. he did not hold back, in terms of his language. woody: in fact, i think we held back. he was a little more extreme than that. he was different, as a statesman. you have some politicians who are just very vulgar publicly. this guy as a statesman was very conscientious of that. in private, he let it go. both of those scenes are well-documented. the one where he is on the toilet. host: there are recordings of it. rob: the most famous recording of him is the one where he is ordering his pants. it was interesting because we screened this film at the lbj library and lucy baynes was there. we were nervous.
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we were so nervous because the go onas over, woody and i stage, they are going to interview us, and i'm scared. she is there in the front row is, what care about did she think about this guy and the relationship to her mother? i asked her and said, what do you think? she stood up and said the man i , saw on the screen tonight was the man that i knew. that was it, that is all we needed to hear. host: how did he approach you about doing this? woody: he called me up. you interested? be 100% because i had just been telling my other friend how i would never play lyndon johnson. of course, i wanted to work with rob. i read the script.
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joey hearthstone wrote it. it is a fantastic script. it all fell into place. rob: we met and talked about it. he expressed his doubts. he said, i don't know about this guy. i mean, vietnam war and all this. i said, listen to me, the man could send me to my death, but if we are going to look at this, maybe there is something more to this guy than what we know. woody: it is not like you have to work that hard. he is one of the greatest living filmmakers. i just wanted to work with rob and i was so psyched i got to work with him. since then, i have done another movie with him. host: this is the first time you worked together? rob: the first time. we acted in a movie together, but i do not think we had any scenes.
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i had scenes with matthew mcconaughey. "edtv." never as a director and an actor. host: is your process when you say yes to a role is the process , deliberative or instinctual? is it different depending on the role? i do think -- you know, the main things are, is the script great, is the story great? does the story have heart? is there a great director? and the tertiary considerations, other actors. are the mostst two important things, good story, good script. and, the director. way.i lucked out in a huge because i did not think i could tell the story, if we were going to just -- i needed somebody with the humanity woody has.
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woody is from texas and he has a sense of humor. i wanted a full rounded picture of lbj. i didn't know who would have all of the qualities and could display the vulnerability that lbj had. ♪
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oft: we talked about some the crude talk scenes.
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there are also these subtly evil and chilling scenes almost, when lbj and richard russell talk -- russell, a powerful senator from georgia, are talking about civil rights. one of the striking things is that it sneaks up on you. they are having a frank and offensive discussion about civil rights and they are being served by an african-american without any recognition of what is taking place around them. rob: i think that is the way a lot of people in that time perio d, especially from the south, viewed that. when lbj was with richard russell, he acted differently than when he was with the kennedys. he talks about it. he says he is the only one who speaks kennedy and southern. he knew what to talk about with richard russell. the scene you are talking about,
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you see lbj make a bit of a change and he is trying to push richard russell. he is always trying to push richard russell further than he is willing to go and you see the incredible negotiating gift that lbj has. that was the time. people of that ilk talked like that in front of african-american people. host: for lbj, it was endless compromise. rob: initially that is what he is thinking. he is thinking, there is no way we are going to get civil rights done. it is not going to be moved in congress, no way. if i can just placate this one side and the other side, somehow i can survive. if i can survive and get more power, maybe, at some point, i can achieve what i want. host: how did you shoot?
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how long does it take? talk about the shooting process. rob: it took 27-28 days. we did not shoot it fast. the toughest scene was dealy plaza. we re-created the assassination. had six hours. we did that in less than six hours. they only gave us six hours. they gave us that and we were able to do that. i am proud of how we did the same. woody: that is economy of motion to be able to do that. it really plays such a significant part in the way you had to keep building to that. rob: the whole movie takes place period, fromweek the time kennedy lands at love field to the time when lyndon johnson delivers the speech. it plays off of the assassination. host: as a director and a writer, what did you learn? woody: he is the true, great,
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consummate professional who understands. he knows, i will use this angle for that piece, he has it all blocked out like a puzzle in his head. i love the way he is able to shoot so effectively with so little -- i mean, most of the time, we are done by lunch. we would go home at lunch. rob: that thing at dealey plaza, i had the four cameras there and i had them go around three times around the plaza. we had three shots, 12 angles. i had picked out all those angled ahead of time. i wantedactly where the camera each time we went around. each time, i give a guy a camera
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and made him be abraham zapruder. i put a guy on the stanchion. he had a camera and we use that footage where you see the camera come from behind the sign and all of that. interesting part that does not get a lot of attention is what happened immediately after, lbj shuffled off to the hospital and the decision about where to make -- when to make the announcement that kennedy was dead. rob: you saw the skills that lyndon johnson has when he takes charge. when he takes charge, you see a real president in action. moment when they say, kennedy has died. we cut to lyndon johnson and everybody is staring at him and he is sitting in a corner and he just stands up. it is just one shot, we see wo ody standing up as lyndon johnson, and he becomes the
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president at that point. you see him take charge. that is the confidence that he had. then, he would drift back to being insecure and he would have to be built back up again. it is a really interesting dynamic of a guy that has all the confidence in the world and all the insecurity in the world. host: while he continued to deal with the problems bobby was presenting to him, he did not he wase office, grieving. rob: right, he was. he was devastated by the loss of his brother and i have had conversations with bobby kennedy junior, who was a friend of mine. he said he was devastated for right after the assassination. it was hard for him to even function. we try to show that moment in the oval office when bobby
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kennedy is alone and he puts his hand and his head on the rocking chair and starts to cry. we tried to show that, as well. but they were antagonist, bobby and lyndon were antagonists. host: you do keep coming back to politics, why? rob: i guess it is part of my dna. my parents were politically active. when i was young growing up my , mother was against the vietnam war. my father marched in the moratorium. my mother was part of another mother for peace. they had that famous poster of "war is unhealthy for children and other living things." she was part of that. i was raised in it. it has always been a part of my life. when people see this, what would you like them to take away? rob: a couple things. one is, this is the way
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government is supposed to work. this is the way a real president is supposed to conduct his job. that is number one. number two, the issue of race, which stays with us. it has bubbled back up to the surface again because of what is going on with our president and how he has given voice and megaphone and we're still dealing with it. when we started making the movie trump was not in office and we were making another movie about a president, an issue of civil rights at the center of it. a lot of movies have been made about the civil rights movement, about race relations. here is another one. that all of a sudden it takes on greater importance because of the atmosphere we are living in right now. hopefully they will take some of that away. again, how government is supposed to function. host: same question to you -- what do people see?
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woody: i never really have an opinion about this. i hope people will see it. what they take away is there prerogative. i do agree with you. here was a guy who, in some ways was wronged by history. because you always associate him with vietnam. i do think he accomplished a lot. by the way, it is ironic how much of what he accomplished is now being undone by trump, whether it is clean water, clean air, medicaid. so, it -- to just feel like maybe lbj was not all bad. host: we didn't even get to the great society. we revolved around the civil
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rights bill. rob: we don't see the passage of civil rights. he talks about it and it gets -- and gives the speech to congress. subsequently that gets passed, plus the voting rights act. that had been hampered by the courts. host: what is next for you? rob: we did another movie called "shock and awe." it just premiered at the zurich film festival a couple weeks ago. it is about the run-up to the war in iraq and about four journalists from a news service who got it all right. it was against a lot of journalists who got it wrong and bought into the administration's thoughts about weapons of mass destruction and the connection to al qaeda. these guys got it right. woody plays one of the journalists. i am in the movie. i am trying to act.
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you get with woody and tommy lee jones and these are great actors. it is like you're are playing tennis, somebody hits the ball to you and it comes at you, good. you can't hit it back. host: they hit it flush. you have "shock and awe" and "star wars." woody: i did a movie just before "star wars." i did a movie called "lost in london or could i shot it in real time in 99 live streamed it simultaneously in theaters while we shot it. this was back in january. me about this but i did not see it. i want to see. rob: it is one of the great film accomplishments. it is just astounding. as a filmmaker, director to
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, watch that he was able to use 14 different locations and tons of actors with one camera and one-shot. it is just astounding when you look at it. plus, it is a great script. he acts in it and directs and there is owen wilson, willy nelson, and woody harrelson. and son. host: you are going to release it? to figure, but i have out how to do that. i have not figured that part out yet. host: it is a shame you guys don't like each other. rob: i said this before, if i could make every movie with him, i would be the happiest guy in the world. woody: me, too. we will do more. host: thank you for being here, rob reiner, woody harrelson. ♪ retail.
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